The medical profession
What is it really like to be a doctor?
What is it like to be a doctor? John Erik talks about studying medicine in Poland, everyday life as a GP, meeting patients, responsibility, and advice for future doctors.
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What this covers
- The road into medicine
- Studying medicine in Poland (Warsaw)
- Everyday life as a GP
- Meeting patients, and communication
- Responsibility and uncertainty in medicine
- Psychiatry
- Pay and working conditions for doctors
What this covers (cont.)
- Study technique and memory technique
A choice that was never a single moment
He does not remember deciding. It was something he had settled on fairly early, and from lower secondary school onwards he worked deliberately towards the grades he needed.
What it actually takes to get in
There is a distinction many people run together, and it is worth making clearly: the formal subject requirements are one thing, the points threshold is quite another.
Two requirements that are not the same
The formal requirement
Subjects you must have
- General university admissions certification
- Mathematics R1, or S1 and S2
- Physics 1
- Chemistry 1 and 2
The real requirement
Enough points to make the cut
- Very high competition for places
- The threshold varies between institutions
- The threshold varies between quotas
- The threshold varies from year to year
Why Poland
The answer is not the one you expect. It was not about points.
Studying abroad and Norwegian authorisation
- No advance approvalThe Norwegian Directorate of Health does not pre-approve foreign health education programmes. You do not get a yes before you go.
- You complete the degreeThe whole programme is taken abroad, in the language it is taught in.
- Then you apply for authorisationThe application is assessed under the rules in force at the time you apply.
The degree, and the worst of it
The hardest subject was biochemistry.
What the subject covers: chemical processes in the body, amino acids, and how the body converts energy.
The example he singles out: the Krebs cycle, also called the citric acid cycle – the body's central loop for energy metabolism.
A curiosity from the work on this episode: the machine transcription heard something else entirely. It is a good reminder of why technical terms have to be checked against a source rather than against an audio file.
What it cost
These are numbers that are easy to underestimate. Tuition at his university was around 110,000 Norwegian kroner a year. On top came loans for living costs.
Six years of tuition
One academic yearQualified doctor
The biggest shock after graduating
Not the workload. Not the responsibility, really. Something far more fundamental:
Exam against reality
At university
There is a right answer
- The question is set so that one option is the most correct
- The information you need is given
- You are measured on whether you hit it
At work
Several answers can be defensible
- Two doctors can choose differently and both act correctly
- Experience and probability come into it
- The patient's situation comes into it
- The risk of waiting is weighed against the risk of treating
Five questions instead of one diagnosis
The assessment that comes before the name of the illness
- Could this be dangerous?The first and most important filter.
- Does it require treatment?Not everything with a name should be treated.
- Does it need rapid investigation?Is it urgent, or can it wait?
- Is watchful waiting defensible?Waiting is an active decision, not the absence of one.
- What should the patient watch for?What should make the patient get back in touch?
The day
He starts around eight. His appointment book is set up with roughly 20 minutes per consultation, with some slots left open to absorb delays.
Why the GP runs late
| What happens | Why it costs time |
|---|---|
| The appointment develops differently | The symptoms are more serious than expected |
| More than one problem | The patient has brought more than the booking said |
| Need for acute follow-up | Something has to be handled now, not later |
| Calls and test results | They arrive between consultations |
| Contact with the hospital | Often has to happen while the patient is still there |
The work that is not in the appointment book
- 1Patient notesWritten and checked.
- 2Test resultsRead and assessed.
- 3PrescriptionsRequests processed.
- 4ReferralsWritten.
- 5Discharge summariesRead and followed up.
- 6Messages from hospitalsHandled.
- 7Electronic enquiriesAnswered.
- 8Sick notesAnd other documents.
When the doctor does not know
He answers no to the question of whether doctors always know what is wrong. Rashes, symptoms and presentations he does not immediately recognise do occur.
The ladder when the answer is not obvious
- Examine furtherMore information before more action.
- Watch and waitWhere it is medically defensible.
- Ask a colleagueLow threshold, and entirely normal.
- Ask for a second assessmentThe colleague sees the patient themselves.
- Contact a hospital specialistWhen the problem calls for it.
- Refer onwardsThe investigation is taken elsewhere.
Do doctors google?
Yes, but not the way you do. The difference is not that the doctor avoids looking things up. The difference is where they look.
The reference works he names
| Source | What it is used for |
|---|---|
| Norsk Elektronisk Legehåndbok | General medical reference work |
| Legevakthåndboken | Acute presentations |
| The antibiotics guideline | Antibiotic use in primary care |
| The driving licence guideline | Health requirements for driving licences |
| Hospital procedure manuals | Procedures and local guidance |
| RELIS | Medicines, side effects and interactions |
The patient who has googled
He is gentler here than you might expect.
When searching helps, and when it does not
Useful
You learn about your own body
- Can this be handled at home?
- Should it be raised with the GP?
- Does it need faster help?
Problematic
You have landed on a diagnosis
- The conclusion came before the examination
- The diagnosis is often rare or serious
- Forums and language models list possibilities without weighing probability
Why more tests do not give a safer answer
This is the most counterintuitive part of the whole conversation, and it is worth doing the arithmetic.
The chance of at least one deviation in a perfectly healthy person
A few other myths he clears up
How to get the most out of your appointment
This is the most directly usable part of the episode, and it costs you five minutes in the waiting room.
Eight questions to have answers to before you go in
- What is the main problem?One problem first, not all of them at once.
- When did the symptoms start?A date, or roughly when.
- Better or worse?The direction often says more than the state right now.
- What makes it better or worse?Activity, rest, food, time of day.
- What have you tried yourself?And did it work?
- Medicines and supplements?All of them, including over the counter.
- What worries you most?Say it. It is often what the appointment is really about.
- What do you want help with?Get the expectation on the table early.
Who the profession suits
Two lists worth reading honestly
May suit you
This sounds like you
- Interested in people and health
- Can take a long and demanding education
- Can work in a structured way over time
- Wants responsibility
- Enjoys continuous learning
- Can live with there not always being a right answer
Think twice
This is your motivation
- You are mainly after status
- You are mainly after a high salary
- You are choosing medicine because of pressure at home
- You do not enjoy working closely with other people
What he wishes he had known beforehand
Not more medicine. Study technique.
The memory palace, in three layers
Would he choose it again?
Yes. He thinks the training has given him an interesting profession, a secure job, a good income and plenty of options. Had he not become a doctor, he might have considered becoming a pilot.
Key points
- Medicine is as much about handling people as it is about medicine itself.
- There is often no single right answer – a large part of the job is handling uncertainty.
- Asking colleagues for help is a normal and important part of the work.
- Choose the profession because you want it, not for the status or because of pressure.
Key points (cont.)
- Good study techniques, such as the memory palace, make a demanding degree more manageable.
Questions this answers
- How do you become a doctor in Norway, and what subjects do you need from upper secondary school?
- What is it like studying medicine abroad?
- What does an ordinary working day look like for a GP?
- What does a doctor do when they do not know what is wrong with a patient?
- Who is medicine right for – and who should choose something else?
- Are status and a high salary reason enough to become a doctor?
Questions this answers (cont.)
- What should you consider before applying to medical school?
Spørretimen
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